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« le: 20 Février 2006, 10:22:02 »

Hi! Sorry for not posting for very long.

If you still remember my previous essay (it is now available through Wikipedia), it may interest you that soon I plan to finish my second one: "Necromancy and Shadow World", in which I deal with these topics.

If you are interested, I will post it here, as soon as I finish it.

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« Répondre #1 le: 21 Février 2006, 08:32:26 »

Yes, it's been a long time since you were here, Randir ! (but what is time for dwarves ? :wink: )
Anyway, it'll be with a real pleasure that we shall read the second chapter of your exploration of the "dark side" of the Middle-Earth ! Tire la langue
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« Répondre #2 le: 21 Février 2006, 08:58:43 »

Post it and we'll read it soon as we can, as usual with gentle strangers from far countries ... Welcome aboard Randir !
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« Répondre #3 le: 23 Février 2006, 21:52:49 »

That is nice than.

By now I am done with 2 (out of projected 4) chapters, but be patient, because am through the Winter Brake, and consequently not that much time is left to me.

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« Répondre #4 le: 23 Février 2006, 23:18:02 »

I'm very much looking forward to it Sourire
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« Répondre #5 le: 25 Février 2006, 10:13:46 »

Dior (In fact If it isn't already done Clin d'oeil ) you'll can easily watch what Randir has done before here :
http://chroniqueschantdefer.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=941
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« Répondre #6 le: 25 Février 2006, 11:47:08 »

I know  :wink:
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« Répondre #7 le: 26 Février 2006, 11:37:52 »

Ok, here come the links to the finished beta-version of the essay (after all the comments and corrections I will post final version).

http://m3ntos.ath.cx/Necromancy%20and%20Shadow%20World.htm (.htm version)
http://m3ntos.ath.cx/Necromancy%20and%20Shadow%20World.doc (.doc version)

All comments welcomed, especially correcting, expanding and constructive criticism Sourire

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« Répondre #8 le: 26 Février 2006, 12:24:46 »

I just want to congratulate Randir for his essay. I don't yet read it, but it seems very interesting.  Sourire
More criticisms after reading ! :wink:

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« Répondre #9 le: 26 Février 2006, 16:29:14 »

Yep, congratulations for this very interesting essay Sourire

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(with few extremely exceptions like Turin “Turambar, son of Hurin, coming from the halls of Mandos”(22) to the Last Battle and End of Arda Marred),


Actually, the very last version of the Second Prophecy of Mandos mentions Túrin "returning from the Doom of Men at the ending of the world" (HoMe XI, p. 247, §31). Informations from this text also need to be relativised, as it is a myth of Númenórean origin (HoMe X, p. 342 + p. 359, note 19).

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Dark Lords are not the only ones that use confusing delusions to their purpose “And in that time also, which songs call Nurtalë Valinóreva, the Hiding of Valinor, the Enchanted Isles were set, and ail the seas about them were filled with shadows and bewilderment.”(56))


Indeed. Another example is the Girdle of Melian : "and Melian put forth her power and fenced all that dominion round about with un unseen wall of shadow and bewilderment" (Silmarillion, p. 106).
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« Répondre #10 le: 26 Février 2006, 16:58:01 »

1. Turin - you are right, shame on me, but I forgot about final version of Prophecy. Perhaps I should exchange Turin for Beren, who is clearly said in Silmarillion to tarry in Halls of Mandos, and was released from it, and the sense of the paragraph would remain.

2. Girdle of Melian - I am well aware of it, I just wanted to indicate that there are examples, without listing them (as I primarily focus on the Evil side  Souriant ),  but maybe I will enclose this quote as well Sourire

Thanks very much, especially for the first remark (I shall correct essay at once Clin d'oeil).

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« Répondre #11 le: 26 Février 2006, 18:01:08 »

Pleasure Sourire

As for Beren, I'm not sure whether he can be considered as an exception : spirits of dead Men are believed to go and stay in Mandos for a while before going to nobody-knows-where (according to some texts of the Legendarium).
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« Répondre #12 le: 26 Février 2006, 18:46:47 »

Exception in the sense that he returned from Halls (or rather was let go), not that he was there.

Randir

PS.(if I was obscure on that matter, I will clear things up)
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« Répondre #13 le: 26 Février 2006, 19:04:21 »

Indeed, I was mistaken  :nonbleu:
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« Répondre #14 le: 12 Mars 2006, 11:08:30 »

OK, I have just corrected some minor mistakes in the essay (but haven't yet make it more readable, to those that wanted more user-friendly structure of the text), the links are the same:

http://m3ntos.ath.cx/Necromancy%20and%20Shadow%20World.htm
http://m3ntos.ath.cx/Necromancy%20and%20Shadow%20World.doc
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